A Contractor's Guide to Buying Retaining Wall Stones in Florida, NY

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Specifying retaining wall stones for a Hudson Valley job, from a yard in Florida, NY, is a purchasing problem before it is a building one, and the yard you buy from decides how much of that problem lands on you. 

Our property features over nine acres of stone inventory, assuring that each designer and contractor will find the specific material they're after, even when searching for hard to find items. That depth is the difference between matching a wall you are extending and telling a client the product is gone.

E.P. Jansen Nursery has been a family-run supplier since 1972 and is an authorized dealer for the industry's leading wall brands. What follows is written for the trade: how to specify, how the material ships, and what to settle before a truck is loaded. 

We supply the stone rather than install it, so none of this covers how to lay it.

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What Are the Real Material Categories for a Retaining Wall?

Retaining wall material falls into three categories: manufactured segmental block, natural wall stone and boulders, and each behaves differently on a job. 

Segmental block comes with published specifications and reinforcement tables behind it, which makes it predictable at height and straightforward to engineer. Natural wall stone gives a look that manufactured units approximate but do not match, and it asks more of the mason.

Boulders sit somewhere else entirely, working as gravity structures on the right grade and needing machine access to place. Most jobs that go sideways started with a material chosen on appearance before the height and the load were settled. 

Settling those two first narrows the field before anyone opens a sample book.

How Should Retaining Wall Stone Color Be Judged Before Ordering?

Retaining wall stone color should be judged across a wall face, not on a single unit. One block or one stone tells you almost nothing about how twenty face feet of it reads against a client's house, because natural variation averages out across an area in a way it cannot in your hand.

Blends that look busy on a sample board frequently settle down at scale, and blends that look calm read flat. Walking the displays is the fastest way to rule options out. Bring a photograph of the house and of any existing stone on the property.

How Do You Match Retaining Wall Stone to an Existing Wall?

Matching an existing wall starts with bringing a piece of the old stone to the yard. Manufacturers change blends and discontinue colors, so the closest current match to a wall built eight years ago is a judgment call. That call is best made with the old unit in hand rather than from a description over the phone.

How Should Retaining Wall Stone Samples Be Handled With a Client?

Retaining wall stone samples should be shown wet and dry, in daylight, and in a group large enough to read. Set out several pieces from the actual product range so the client sees the spread rather than one flattering example, wet half of them, and look at the group in the light the wall will live in. 

Getting a written sign-off on a sample range rather than a single piece prevents the conversation about variation once forty tons are stacked on site, and our yard is set up to be walked for exactly that reason.

How Does Retaining Wall Stone Ship?

Retaining wall stone ships banded or wire-caged on pallets for most manufactured and cut products, and loose or in bulk for boulders and some fieldstone. That distinction matters for site planning, because a caged pallet needs a machine to move it and a loose load needs somewhere to dump.

Coverage is quoted by face foot rather than by weight for wall products, which is the figure to work from when converting a take-off into an order. We deliver from Florida, NY across Orange, Rockland, Sullivan and Ulster counties and into North Jersey with full trailer load capability, so consolidating a job into fewer larger drops is usually easier on everyone.

What Should Be Checked When a Wall Stone Load Arrives?

Count, condition and consistency should be checked when a wall stone load arrives, before the truck leaves. 

Count pallets against the delivery ticket and the order, look for breakage on the top course where transit damage shows first, then pull pieces from different pallets and set them side by side, since a run split across two production lots shifts in tone in a way nobody sees until the wall is half up. 

Damage noted on the ticket at delivery is a conversation, damage found three days later is an argument, and we would rather have that conversation at the tailgate.

When Should Retaining Wall Material Be Staged on Site?

Retaining wall material should be staged in the order it gets used: base material and drainage stone first, wall units as the courses go up, and caps last. Taking the whole order at once looks efficient and frequently is not. Pallets sitting on a client's lawn for three weeks make a mess and get in the way of the machine.

Staging also protects you when a job stalls on weather or inspection. Talk to the yard about a release schedule at the point you place the order rather than on the morning you need the next drop. A release plan set at order time keeps the crew working and the lawn intact.

Where Should Wall Stone Pallets Sit on a Job Site?

Wall stone pallets should sit close to the run, on firm ground, and away from any route where the lift crosses the finished surface. Pallets set on soft ground tilt and the top courses slide, and staging on a driveway means plywood or mats under every pallet, since a loaded pallet on warm asphalt leaves a print. 

Splitting a delivery so cap and veneer stock land near the end of the run saves a day of double handling on a long wall.

What Quantities Get Missed on a Retaining Wall Take-Off?

Caps, corners and waste are the quantities most often missed on a retaining wall take-off, in that order. Cap units cover less linear footage than people assume once returns and radii are counted. Corner units are a separate line on most systems and run out first.

A straight wall wastes very little, while a curved one wastes a good deal more, because every cut leaves an offcut too small to use. Drainage stone is the other gap: clean crushed aggregate behind the wall is measured by the ton and ordered separately from the wall units, and running short mid-build stalls the whole lift. 

Adding a sensible allowance at order time costs far less than a second delivery for half a pallet, particularly if the blend has moved by then.

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How Does Hudson Valley Ground Change the Retaining Wall Material Order?

Hudson Valley frost depth and soil type change the total retaining wall material order, even when the wall units stay the same. Our winters put real frost into the ground, which sets how deep a base has to sit. That affects how much material a job consumes before a single visible course is laid.

Heavy soils across parts of Orange and Rockland counties hold water, which pushes the drainage stone quantity up. None of that changes which wall units are available. It changes the total order substantially, and a quote written without it comes up short.

How Should a Contractor Read a Retaining Wall Stone Quote?

A contractor should read a retaining wall stone quote by unit and by coverage rather than by the headline price. Wall stone sells by the ton, the pallet, the square face foot or the piece depending on the product, and two quotes written in different units are not comparable until both are converted to the wall face area the job needs.

Ask what coverage figure the yard uses per ton and at what bed depth, because a quote built on a thin average runs short on a job laid with a deeper bed. Then confirm whether the price is picked up or delivered. Check whether pallet deposits and returns are included in the figure.

What Drives the Price Difference Between Two Wall Stones?

Quarry distance, yield and hand work drive the price difference between two wall stones. A stone that travels four states arrives with freight in it before anyone touches it, a product that produces a lot of unusable material at the quarry carries that loss in its price, and a sawn, thermal-finished piece has had machine time and labor that a split-face piece has not. 

None of those three make a stone the wrong choice, but they give a contractor a defensible reason to put in front of a client asking why one sample costs twice the other.

What Should a Contractor Ask a Stone Supplier Before Committing?

Before committing, ask a stone supplier whether the product is current or being phased out, and whether the blend on the display is the blend in stock. Ask what the lead time looks like if a second drop is needed. Ask whether corners and caps are held in the same quantities as the field units.

Those four questions catch most of the problems that show up halfway through a build. Reviewing the contractor supply we stock before the visit makes the conversation at the counter shorter. It also means the questions get asked while there is still time to change the order.

How Far Ahead Should Retaining Wall Stone Be Ordered?

Retaining wall stone should be ordered once a job is signed rather than once it is scheduled, which in a busy autumn means further ahead than feels necessary. 

The building season here compresses into a window, and the same weeks that suit your crew suit everyone else, which puts pressure on stock and on delivery slots.

Ordering at signing is the easiest way to keep a crew productive, and it costs nothing to reserve material early. It also gives the yard time to confirm stock on the exact blend. A job ordered late tends to get whatever is left.

What Does a Stone Yard With Real Depth Change for a Contractor?

A stone yard with real depth shortens the distance between a client changing their mind and a contractor having an answer. A designer who wants a warmer blend, a client who decides on a taller wall, or a job that turns out to need a corner detail nobody drew is a phone call when the material sits on the ground locally and a two-week problem when it does not.

It also takes lead time off the critical path. A product bought against a quarry or mill order arrives when the production run allows, which is awkward when a client moves a date. 

Material already on the ground loads the same week, and a wall that runs long gets topped up without a four-week gap in the middle of it.

Which Wall Products Should a Contractor Keep in Stock?

A contractor should keep in stock the products used for patching and order the products used for building. A callback that needs six pieces should not wait on a truck, but holding full pallets of a product that may not suit the next design ties up both yard space and cash. 

Most working contractors land on two or three staple products held in small quantities, with everything beyond that bought per project against a take-off.

Bring Your Retaining Wall Stone Take-Off to the Yard

Call ahead with your square footage, wall height and a photograph of the site, and we will walk the displays with you and work the order out properly. 

E.P. Jansen Nursery confirms what is in stock, what ships on a pallet and what has to be ordered, so the material arrives when the crew needs it. Call E.P. Jansen Nursery to price your retaining wall stones.

In Summary

How much wall stone comes on a pallet?

Wall stone per pallet varies by product and by thickness, so face-foot coverage rather than weight is the number to work from. Call the yard with your square footage and we will convert it to pallets for the specific product.

Can material be held while a job runs long?

A staged release across a multi-week build is the way to hold material while a job runs long, and it is far easier to arrange at order time. Sorting it out on the morning a crew is standing around is much harder.

What should a contractor bring to the yard on a first visit?

A contractor should bring the square footage, the wall height, and a photograph of the house or the surrounding stone on a first visit. Color reads differently across a full wall than on a single unit, so walking the displays with those three things narrows the choice fastest.

Does E.P. Jansen Nursery install retaining walls?

E.P. Jansen Nursery supplies retaining wall materials rather than installing them. The yard stocks natural stone, segmental block, pavers and bulk support materials for the contractors who build the walls.


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ABOUT THE AUTHOR

E. P. Jansen Nursery began with an inspired vision only a family-run company can design. After purchasing her father's home and five acres of land in 1972, Elizabeth and Jan Jansen transformed the land into a community-focused, pick-your-own-strawberries, gladiolus, and chrysanthemum farm. Over ten-thousand chrysanthemums grew throughout the five acres during those early years. But as Jan and Elizabeth adapted and grew their vision, they also began to look ahead, expanding their business plan by breaking up their expansive flower offerings into separate products, and thus allowing the growth of an extensive, diverse nursery. After over 45 years, this family-focused company has grown to become the premier hardscape and plant supplier in the region. The sprawling farm now offers high-quality nursery stock curated from around the world as well as a comprehensive selection of natural stone, wall systems, pavers, blue stone, granite, and a wide variety of tools and bulk support materials.